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title: "EP:53 Turning Data Into Dollars: Lower CAC, Higher LTV"
date: 2025-04-30T05:55:57Z
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author: Pasha Knish
timestamp: 2026-01-26T20:15:08Z
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EP:53 Turning Data Into Dollars: Lower CAC, Higher LTV

In this episode of the Agency Operators Podcast, Pasha hosts Ali Babul of Trellis. They discuss Ali's diverse background from growing up in a family-run restaurant business in Toronto, his ventures in digital start-ups, and his current work at Trellis, an e-commerce analytics and automation platform.

Ali emphasizes the importance of focusing on customer lifetime value (LTV) and acquisition costs, especially in the face of increasing CPCs and tariffs. He describes how Trellis uses advanced data analytics via Amazon Marketing Cloud (AMC) to help brands identify and target their most valuable customers.

The conversation includes insights into leveraging customer data for more profitable marketing strategies and the importance of thinking beyond traditional advertising metrics like ACOs.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

00:35 Ali's Background and Culinary Journey

03:13 From Restaurants to Digital Ventures

06:22 Challenges and Reflections on Running an Agency

10:22 Transition to Trellis and New Beginnings

13:08 Insights on Amazon Ecosystem and Marketing Strategies

19:48 Leveraging Shopper Data for D2C Strategies

20:13 Amazon's New Capabilities with AMC

20:53 Creating Unique Playbooks with Shopper Data

21:26 Targeting Audiences with Sponsored Ads

22:05 Focusing on Lifetime Value and Customer Acquisition Cost

23:09 Importance of Tracking LTV and CAC

24:08 Maximizing Customer Spend with AMC Insights

27:28 Utilizing Trellis for Shopper Insights

37:22 Integrating First-Party Data for Better Targeting

41:03 Conclusion and Contact Information

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